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Mon May 11, 2020 3:17 am
IMHO, the world is under attack from China. . .they have destroyed all the records in Wuhan. . . they allowed the people of Wuhan to travel around the world to infect as many as they could, while not allowing then to travel within China.

Meanwhile they are also acting up in other parts of the globe. There was a battle skirmish on the border of India. . .they are now laying claim to Mt. Everest and their continual threatening activity in the South China Sea. Not to mention their fist response was to buy up all the PPE and then sell them back at a high profit margin as well as sending contaminated PPE to several European countries.

If I didn't know any better, I would say that China has declared war on the rest of the world.



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Mon May 11, 2020 3:30 am
You are sounding as paranoid as my dad sounds whenever China comes up in conversation Sir Scarz, except less tin hat conspiracy. Laughing

I'm pretty sure there was a Simpsons episode about a virus being shipped from China to Springfield and you know what, the Simpsons have predicted a lot of things that have become true.

We rely on China too much for things that we can build at home. The reason why it isn't being built at home, is because people want more money to do the work. Obviously in the USA, companies can and do get away with paying low wages, but here they can't really get away with that. I'm pretty sure that we have laws in place to ensure a living wage is paid and if it isn't and enough people complain, the company or management, whoever it is that tried to profit from it, would get a BIG fine. The cost of living is super expensive in our countries. I have a friend who lives...somewhere in California and renting is REALLY expensive and if she could afford it, she would prefer to live on her own, but she can't.

I came across an article about a tea company, who couldn't get any tea tags to go on their tea bags, so they were just boxing up tea bags with string and no tags. Because of this pandemic, they couldn't get their tea tags from Spain, for obvious reasons, but they could still get the bags and string from Germany. So obviously things are sourced from all over the globe, because we can't always grow and produce what we need or want in our own countries. But the thing that got me and annoyed me was, there are people out there who are complaining that their tea bags don't have tags and they have to fish the bag out with various kitchen utensils. Ummmm, why don't they just wrap the string around the handle of the cup and hold it while pouring the hot water into the cup? Rolling Eyes thunk
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Mon May 11, 2020 1:33 pm
China handled this virus extremely badly; they only clamped down on it after it had been leaked to the rest of the world, and even then, did so only several months after the fact, and, I suspect, only because they couldn't deny its existence or origin any longer... despite their usual level of control over their citizens.

They were not forthcoming with information or real data for the rest of us to use as a knowledge base to deal with or combat the virus, and there have been several points during the virus' spread where it seemed they were almost trying to obscure any helpful data from the rest of the world. I'm not sure they're declaring a new kind of war on the world, but the Chinese regime has certainly been negligent as a "global citizen", imo.


There is evidence coming out now that the virus has been active in my part of the U.S. (Florida) since November... and speaking from personal experience, there were a number of my friends and their families who did have a "serious flu" with -what we now know to be- all the ear-marks of the coronavirus through December and January...
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Mon May 11, 2020 2:04 pm
People here believe that it has been here since November, too. I remember being so sick that I could hardly get out of bed for 3 days. That severe flu went through my department in November and December and one man's wife spent a week in the hospital in December and they never fully determined what it was that she had, but looking back it had all the earmarks of Covid 19.

Lady Bo, we truly are too dependent on China, our problem is that the previous administrations going back to Clinton, promoted movement of investments and companies to China. Many companies took advantage of it because labor in China is much cheaper than in the USA, so profits go up, so much so that entire industries moved there, like pharmaceuticals. So much so that most of the ingredients to our medications are only produced in China.

We need to bring those companies back home. . .we need to bring all production home. I don't know the differences between here and Australia for pay; but we do have a minimum wage and those minimum wage jobs are entry level work. All the talk here of making $15 minimums doesn't take into account that many small businesses would have to lay off workers to meet minimums for others. . .in Seattle they implemented that minimum and over 4,000 jobs were lost.

I have sympathy for your friend in California, they have some of the highest rents in the country. Purchasing a home is almost out of the reach of the average citizen. My biggest problem with Californians is they move to Vegas because of the taxes and restrictions their government put on them, because it is cheaper here. . .only to move in and continue to vote for the same type of people they voted for there.

The real enemy is China. . .we need to bring everything home and that includes Apple. . .I get the most paranoid about them because there are so many ways China can use Apple products to track anyone. These hi-tech industries have to provide China with information that the US government has to get a warrant to be able to check. Companies like Google have been known to set up programs that the government uses to spy on their own people.

If and when the hotels and casinos are allowed to reopen, it will be a different world and I am not sure Vegas will ever fully recover from this. We are known for gambling and entertainment, but another big piece of our pie is conventions. . .I don't see conventions happening like before at all.

My company has extended health insurance until August 31st, however, after that date all those still furloughed will be considered fully laid off and will no longer have seniority when it comes to hiring again. . .



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Tue May 12, 2020 1:09 pm
I can only hope that this wakes some people up to how devious and callous China is. It's time to stop doing business with them. They've shown their true colors again and again but we're asleep at the wheel. I'm afraid greed and bleeding hearts will still win out though. :/ I do not blame the Chinese people, just their government.
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Tue May 12, 2020 4:49 pm
I full heartedly agree, Lady Rayven, it is the Chinese government who is responsible, not the chinese people, they are also victims.

We truly need to pull back our companies from China, especially those as critical as our pharmaceuticals. . .

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Tue May 12, 2020 5:40 pm
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the chinese people, they are also victims.

back our companies from China, especially those as critical as our pharmaceuticals. . .





Those poor people have been subjugated so long that they don't even know what freedom is. Crying or Very sad That's one reason Hong Kong is fighting back. They got a taste of freedom and they don't want to be bullied into submission.

Definitely. They've threatened to poison us. How much proof do people need?! Rolling Eyes
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:14 pm
Ok, so that last topic was kinda heavy, but I don't think this next discussion topic is going to be any lighter all things considered. Embarassed Embarassed

New Question Time!

What are your thoughts on the current situation in the USA? I've noticed that it's a REALLY hot topic on social media, so I figured this needs to be discussed in the civil manner that we typically discuss things here.
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:43 am
I'm not sure where to start. Sigh First, there is no excuse for what happened to George Floyd. That video is awful and hard to watch. Crying or Very sad Even if Mr. Floyd had been guilty of a petty crime (we won't know because he will never get his day in court), and even if he did resist arrest (I believe we only have the cop's word on that), he was not resisting arrest when the cop had his knee on his neck. If someone tells you that they can't breathe, you need to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they're faking it, they can always be restrained again if need be. I sincerely hope that this cop is punished harshly for what he did.

I don't know how that cop could do that even with people yelling at him to let Mr. Floyd up. If I was one of the onlookers I believe I may have done more than taking video of what was going on. Knowing how I am, I probably would have tackled the cop and gotten arrested myself. To me, this goes beyond racism. Anyone who could do this lacks human decency. I think it was a chief of police somewhere that said that any cop that thinks this was ok should turn in their badge. I would take that a step further. Any human being that thinks this was alright needs to seek help. There is something broken inside of anyone who is ok with what happened.

However, I will say that most of the people that are getting mistreated by the police have put themselves into the frying pan. These are people that are suspected of crimes. I'm not saying that the police have a right to go too far, I'm just saying that I do everything in my power to stay out of trouble and avoid the police. Not just because of situations like this, but because it's the right thing to do. Crime of any kind is wrong and there are consequences, but the punishment should fit the crime. Also, it is not the job of the police to dispense justice. Their only job is to get the accused safely to jail where they can await their turn in court.

I did not feel the same way about the Michael Brown incident as I do about George Floyd. There was video of Michael Brown being a thug and a bully in a convenience store. He was running around causing trouble that day and I believe he did attack the police officer first. You can't do that and not expect to get hurt. The police want to make it home safely to their families too.

We all need to use our best judgement and use common sense in situations like these. I do get irritated that everything always comes down to racism when something goes wrong. Why do white people always have to be the bad guy? I know some of them are, but there are bad people of every color. Why can't this cop just be a jerk with a mean streak who had extremely poor judgement? One reason, among many, that racism will never go away is because someone is always getting accused of it whether or not that was their intention. I'm not saying that there aren't racist people, but not every white person is racist. There are racist black people too. I experienced racism when I lived in the city. I chose not to let it bother me instead of becoming hypersensitive to the point of paranoia about it.

These are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. I just want everyone to get along and to be safe.
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 am
I fear that once I start, the wall of text will stretch for pages. . .

I don't know how any human being could watch the video of that "cop" with his knee on George Floyd's neck and not feel rage. . .I don't know how those people videotaping the incident did nothing. . .I don't know how the one "cop" just stood there.

They have all been arrested and will get there day in court.

I hate that people think that you have to be with the protesters or you are against them. . .it is not as simple as that; not even for the protesters. . .

I have nothing against peaceful protesting, but so many of these have turned into something else. . .the problem is there are so many groups that have hidden within the protesters numbers. . .you have Antifa (who are NOT anti-fascists, in fact their actions are more like those of the fascist), you have the "Boogaloo Movement" (who I had never heard of before, but they advocate a 2nd civil war) and organized criminal groups that are just in it to rob and loot.

You also have government officials making some of the most ridiculous statements; there is one city councilwoman in Portland or Seattle that said that robbing, looting and destruction of property is "Not Violence". . .really? If it is your store, your property, your livelihood, your dreams that are destroyed. . .THAT IS VIOLENCE. . .like the retired fireman, who sunk everything into his new neighborhood bar, only to have it burned to the ground before he was even able to open it!

You have some blaming everything on Antifa, and others blaming everything on the boogaloo boys. . .you even had a governor claim that 80% of those arrested were not from their town; when the real number was only 16% who were from out of town or out of State. . .and in New York City you have looters, etc. being arrested and immediately let out of jail because of a new "no bail" policy. . .you even had two Lawyers who were caught firebombing a police car who were initially released on bail.

Now back to the protesters, the peaceful protesters have my respect as they are staying true to their cause. . .the problem is I have seen interviews with some of the "peaceful" protesters that claim they won't be happy until there are dead cops in the streets. . .which Black Lives Matters have espoused in several demonstrations. . .I have actually seen people who have said if you don't swear to support that group, you can no longer be friends (the biggest question I have for the group is, if Black Lives Matter, why aren't they in Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, DC and other cities where so many young Blacks are being killed every weekend. . .I know, by even asking the question, it makes me a "racist" - another word that is being thrown around at anyone who doesn't believe as the mob does).

The groups that are out for real violence are using bricks (which somehow pallets of bricks happen to show up miracuously), they are using molotov cocktails, iron bars, baseball bats, even bottles of frozen water to attack the police. . .all from the safety of being deep in a group of actual protesters.

The original looters seen in Minneapolis, were locals, from the videos shown. . .however the looters in New York, Santa Monica and other places were organized groups, who pulled up in cars with their license plates covered as the occupants ran in and emptied the stores of everything.

Those that have burned down so many businesses don't care if it is the only stores in the neighborhood or that so many employed people in the neighborhood. . I saw an interview with on older woman who was crying that all the stores she uses in the neighborhood are gone and the only places she could shop she would need to ride the bus and the buses are not running. . .the people setting the fires don't care about the neighborhood, they don't care a bout George Floyd all they want is anarchy on the streets.

That is the real problem, none of these "rioters", "looters", "arsonists" or those that are attacking the police could care less about George Floyd. Watching the Floyd family, it is obvious that this violence is NOT what they want. They want justice, and hopefully they will get it in the court.

To me, it is horrible how what should be peaceful demonstrations have been hijacked by so many different groups for their evil purposes.
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I saw a video today of a White Policeman comforting a 5 year old Black girl that actually asked him if he was going to shoot them. . .

"We're here to protect you," the officer replied. "We're not here to hurt you at all. OK? You can protest, you can party -- you can do whatever you want. Just don't break nothing." . .

Where did she get this idea? and why would you take a 5 year old to a protest, knowing that a riot could break out?


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Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:18 am
I'm happy to see the looter problem mentioned. I didn't go into that.

I think it's really sad that some people take advantage of a horrible situation because they're greedy miscreants. At the same time, I can kind of understand how things might get out of hand considering the fact that police brutality has been going on for a long time and it's still going on despite everything that's been said or done about it so far. Frustration is guaranteed at this point.

I've been uncomfortable for years with the amount of power police have, especially when they abuse it. That leads to an extremely bitter population. I knew it would cause problems eventually.
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:17 pm
I never understood looting... "we're mad! Let's destroy stuff in our own neighborhood!" Rolling Eyes
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:25 pm
I don't understand the looting, but the arson is the worst. . .there are places in Baltimore that are still standing, but burned out since the riots of 1968. . .and I remember after the Baltimore riots in 2015, after the rioters burned down the CVS, one reporter interviewed an old Black man in a wheel chair, who was in tears, because he now had nowhere that he could go to get his prescriptions.

The other thing I don't understand is the calls to defund the police or dismantle the police forces. . .that is absolutely asinine. . What would replace it with or would they replace it? Talk about lawlessness breaking out all over. . .there really would be anarchy.

Who would you then call for assistance, BLM Peace Officers?
Rethinking policies and procedures I can understand, but not defunding or dismantling.

If you haven't done it before,you should watch Live PD sometime to see what police officers sometimes have to deal with. I have seen them stop someone for a minor infraction and before you know it, the driver has escalated the situation (White and Black drivers). I guess I was taught differently. . .when stopped by the police, I do what they ask, I provide them with my insurance and driver's license (I can't believe how many on the show don't have either). . .if the officer does something he shouldn't have, don't argue with them as it is better to go to a lawyer afterwards.

I have found there are other problems, too when you have certain groups making false claims about the police, like how many unarmed have been killed (according to some of these groups it is several every day), however the actual statistics don't show it.

Don't get me wrong, there are bad cops, but nowhere near as many as the media portray there are.

Looting, arson, destruction of private property, attacking the police with bricks, bottles and molotov cocktails is NOT honoring the memory of George Floyd.


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Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:03 pm
Unfortunately, there are people out there who take advantage of situations like this. I believe their motivation is greed when they steal and they're just showing their evil true colors when they destroy property. They are worse than animals. Animals behave better than these despicable creatures. These are people who couldn't be trusted under normal circumstances but they use these situations to break the law and create chaos because the police are too busy to stop them.
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:07 pm
Some of these people are proving themselves quite the hypocrites with recent events in their "zones", imo.

There is always more to a story or news-byte than is initially portrayed, but these days the headline is enough to get people extremely riled up... and nobody seems to want to dig deeper - or if they do, there seems to be a complete unwillingness to believe what they discovered.

We are a knee-jerk, emotionally-volatile nation. Why we persist in acting like a bunch of 5 year olds throwing tantrums all the time, I don't know...
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